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Dammit - lost my drafting about Peer Review

Dianne.ALLEN's picture

I have become blase about inputing at this site!

Last week I was able to respond to Ross' query about rejigging the site without any trauma.

Just now I have tried to respond to Ed's item on Peer Review and have lost more than half an hour's work on reacting/responding to the proposal.

I had stopped copying my drafting before I preview/post!

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Now to re-construct my comments before I forget the thrust ...

I expressed an interest in the proposal Ed posted.

I had some questions to try and unpack what the proposla might mean, if there were others interested, too ...

? What did Ed see as the boundaries, purposes of the peer review inputs?

? When, in the journey between signing on for such studies and the submission for examination, did Ed see the peer review swinging in?

? Concerning the revenue stream, was it envisaged for ALARA, or the reviewers, or both?

? Did Ed mean that the abstract would be sufficient for prospective reviewers to express an interest in reviewing?  Speaking for myself, and from my experience of abstracts, etc, an abstract might be sufficient to express an interest, reading the draft Intro would be needed to confirm that I had anything to contribute, and seeing the draft conclusion might be necessary for my to formulate questions to help engage with the candidate in order to generate any development of knowledge, by drawing on my own experience and what the candidate's draft challenges of that.

? I wanted to know a bit more about how Ed envisaged the peer panel review operating: how would it form and deliberate?  was it to be a corporate activity, or only multiple voices or only one or two inputters operating independently?  whether it was a corporate activity or other, would there be a mechanism for the peer reviewers activity to be reviewed (including by the candidate) so that they could learn some more, actively, about peer reviewing?

I shared some of my own experience of seeking external inputs for the process of culling, restructuring and editing my draft.   It was that my action to do that independently, operated on my primary supervisor to generate some demoralisation and disengagement from the process. 

I shared that I had hoped to have a peer support and challenge forum for my thesis journey, much earlier in the process, but found that hard to find/construct. 

I had received some support and engagement from ARLIST, I had received some support and engagement from the ALARPM Conference, but both were limited.  

I don't know whether this is a function of how fragmented post-graduate studies are, especially in education, or how busy others are, or ..???

I wanted to ask Ed for some further elaboration of what had been his experience in having 'significant peer contacts with associates' (or words to that effect): what had that involved? What had been the benefits, etc? 

Dianne Allen KIAMA, NSW

Susan.GOFF's picture

Taking this further

Hi Di

Just to let you know that Ross has been in contact with me about this. I will take it to the Exec this avo and get back to you, Ed and Ross tomorrow.... via Ed's original posting
Thanks so much for all your thought and persistance
Cheers
Susan Goff

Dianne.ALLEN's picture

A further comment about the technicalities of the site

When I tried to post my original comment to Ed's post, I was offered check boxes about where I wanted the post to go ('public' - least preferred; AL/AR organisations; members).  I ticked both AL/AR organisations and Members, because that was how Ed's post had appeared in my 'unread' section.   I am now wondering ... should I have opted for Member, because I am a member?

Of course I have no mechanism for retrieving the error message I got .. too much emotion got in the way! 

Dianne Allen KIAMA, NSW

colliver's picture

Check boxes for who will see a comment

Dianne

This offer of options would be confusing, and it can't have been offered to you in the "Post new comment"  facility I'm using here to make this comment ... I'll just go over to Ed's blog to see what I get when I ask to comment there .... no, I don't get options for who will see a comment. Those options are offered when one is setting up a topic in a discussion, not when a person is making a comment, and they are offered when you create a blog entry, which is where you probably got them.

You should in any case ask that the message be available to "Members" unless you are part of a group (a subset of members working together on a specific matter, that you don't want other members to see). You would ask that a blog post or a topic be available to "public" if you thought the public would get benefit from seeing your contribution. We leave this decision to you as a contributor.

There is control over who can comment on your blog entry or a topic - this is restricted in all cases to members only, and in some cases can be restricted to just some members. For example, all members can see Management Committee discussion, but to keep the interaction manageable, only Management Committee members can comment on topics.

Ross Colliver, TTDG, 0411 226519

Dianne.ALLEN's picture

Thanks Ross

Thanks for the response Ross

I have sent some further info to admin using Contact Us

I am still having the same problem

Dianne Allen KIAMA, NSW

Dianne.ALLEN's picture

But inconsistently

Yes, the same problem, but inconsistently!

While I have just posted the above, I had tried to post what I have sent to Contact us.   That involved copy and paste from WORD, and that might be part of the problem, but isn't, I don't think the whole problem

Dianne Allen KIAMA, NSW

Dianne.ALLEN's picture

Now to try copy and paste from WORD

Thanks Ross, for responding and trying to mirror what happened to me.I think there must have been a glitch in the system when I was on ...Here is some more information, generated at the time, which I was unable to post at the time, and which has meant I haven't been back until someone did respond, or there was some other action to respond to.I entitled this material Poo-Bah, inconsistency rules (I was moderating my language at the time; now, of course, I remember the cross-reference: Poo-Bah from the Mikado, and let the punishment fit the crime)

Dianne Allen KIAMA, NSW

Dianne.ALLEN's picture

Hmmm, see what I mean

OK, I am flummoxed again, and unprepared to lose time playing any more

First time I tried to post the above, with some additions, I got the 403 error message.

Now that I have returned, and tried direct entry it is now working .. but for how long?

Dianne Allen KIAMA, NSW

Fixed?

Dianne,

I suspect that the problem lies in a 'bug' in the software that drives the site, rather than something you are doing wrong.

I have just altered a configuration setting. Can you let us know whether the problem continues to occur or seems to have been fixed.

Thanks

John - Webmaster

 

 

Dianne.ALLEN's picture

So far so good ...

John, thanks, so far I have been able to post to others' posts without any more dramas.  I will let you know if anything changes!

Dianne Allen KIAMA, NSW

Dianne.ALLEN's picture

Reporting back ... still problems apparently

John I am getting that dreaded FORBIDDEN message again when trying to add a new post to Ed Cumings' blog ....????

I can add some things to Ed's blog, but not others ????

I am going to log out login again and try again

Dianne Allen KIAMA, NSW

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More Information

John,

I have tried again today.   No response to copy and paste to add to Ed's blog except the forbidden message.

Then I tried the Meeting Resource create content option.   This time I got the message about the access to my clipboard.  I permitted that.  But still no result.

I have come back here to my own blog area and tried again.  Again I get the message  about permitting access to my clipboard.  There is then the 'virus' check from my end, and apparently I cannot tell the respective parties that need to knwo that yes I do trust this site, and yes I do want to let it access my clipboard, especially now, and probably on all future occasions when I use the paste function.

Is it me, or the site, or the combination of me (Norton 2006) and the site?

Dianne Allen KIAMA, NSW

Dianne.ALLEN's picture

Another bit of info

This time I tried to watch carefully the process of access to clipboard, and permitting ActiveX and microsoft etc interaction.

It looked good for a bit, and then went all blank.   That's it from me for today.  I am going to email my response to Ed via email.  Then when something else appears to be OK here, I will try and come back with the 'consolidated' document.

Dianne Allen KIAMA, NSW

Thanks for your patience... please test it again.

I've made another config change and I think that your '403 error' should be fixed.

Please let us know.

 

John

Dianne.ALLEN's picture

Looking good, John

I have managed to copy and paste from WORD and to post under Ed's blog area.  That was what I was wanting to do.

It is encouraging that when I grizzle and grump, you find something that has to be done.   That means that what I am doing, and that others might want to do here, is being made more and more user friendly.   Thanks.

Dianne Allen KIAMA, NSW

colliver's picture

Great persistence

Dianne

Thank you for your persistence. I hope you are learning from it ... you're certainly throwing up issues for myself and John Saward to test and resolve. I've dropped Ed a note linking to your rewrite of your lost post, in case he missed it.

While I've got your ear, can I highlight the choice you have when creating a blog entry: to make it available to "public," or "members" or various groups internal to ALARPM membership. Check "members," but consider also checking "public," because this then makes what you write, and any discussion in response, viewable by non-members. If you go to the site, before you sign-in, on the RH side, you'll see are a list of Blog entries that are marked up as "public."  Yours (and Ed's) don't appear here because they were not checked as "public." You can go back and edit these settings on entries already created.

Making some blog entries public means that the public at large get the stimulus of the interactions you create, and web search engines get a better idea of what's happening at the site.

Ross Colliver, TTDG, 0411 226519

Dianne.ALLEN's picture

Problem Ross

Hi Ross,

I can't see where I change my blog entries to be 'public'.

Dianne Allen KIAMA, NSW

colliver's picture

Ask to edit your entry

If you ask to edit your original entry, (tab at top of page, you get the option of which "Groups" to check.

Ross Colliver, TTDG, 0411 226519

Dianne.ALLEN's picture

Thanks Ross

Yes, that is where I make the change, thanks.

Now to consider ... do I want this blog entry and my other blog entries to be public, or private to members ....

If I remember rightly the reason why there is a choice was that we were getting unwelcome posts in about the middle of 2006 ... always the hazard of too much 'openness'.

Dianne Allen KIAMA, NSW

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